Tibthorpe Inn

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Tibthorpe Inn

Postby David.B » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:55 pm

I am currently researching one of my Cousins , John Botham 1812-1899 who in the 1851 , 61 and 71 Censuses was shown as being the Inn Keeper of the Hill House Inn at Tibthorpe . Doe,s any one know where the Inn is , or was ? as I believe the village has no Pub or any type of Shop .

Many thanks in anticipation ,
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Re: Tibthorpe Inn

Postby Ian Soanes » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:37 pm

In 1851 John Botham (b. c1812 Paull, East Yorkshire) was Inn Keeper at the Grey Thornton Inn and in 1861 at the White Horse Inn, both in Tibthorpe. These may have been two separate pubs or, perhaps, the same place with a name change. I suspect the latter. The 1861 census is difficult to read but I believe it is definitely the White Horse Inn and not, as you say, the Hill House Inn.

An old Ordnance Survey map (surveyed 1850 to 1851, published 1855) shows The Grey Thornton Public House in what is today called Butts Lane.

My best guess is that it is the long, low white cottage now called Broxholme.

A 1909 map suggests there were no pubs in Tibthorpe by then.

I haven’t been able to find a large scale map between 1855 and 1909.

Hope that helps.
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Re: Tibthorpe Inn

Postby Peter6 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:44 pm

The following might be of interest:

A LEAP FROM A RAILWAY TRAIN. - By a wilful and foolish act of his own, a serious act befel a young man named John Botham of Tibthorpe on the Wolds, a passenger by the last train to Driffield, on Wednesday evening. When within a few miles of Driffield Botham put his head out of the window, and his hat blew off. Being moonlight he thought he could jump out of the train and get it, and arranging with two friends to walk back on the line and meet him, he made a leap from the train, only to be whirled down the bank, by which he received a broken leg. He was sometime afterwards set home in a cab.

Source: Yorkshire Gazette - Saturday 02 December 1865
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Re: Tibthorpe Inn

Postby Peter6 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:53 pm

An investigation into our hidden histories. This week: Sir Ian Botham. Nick Barratt reports


Ian Botham is a legendary figure in English cricket, mainly through his heroics during the 1981 Ashes series against the Australians at Headingley. There, he strode in to bat, with England facing almost certain defeat, and smashed an unbeaten 149 that allowed Bob Willis to claim eight Aussie scalps for an improbable 18-run victory on the final day.


Botham cemented his place in cricketing folklore in the next match at Edgbaston, taking five wickets for just one run (off 28 balls) to win the Test. Yet he was a controversial figure during his career. There were tabloid allegations of wild living while on tour and a less than successful spell as England captain. Nevertheless, "Sir Ian" - he was knighted in October - has a special place in the public's affections, as much for his fund-raising activities and charity walks as his cricket. This is his background.


Who is he related to?


Ian Terence Botham was born on November 24, 1955, the son of Herbert Leslie Botham and his wife Violet Marie Collett. Herbert worked as an aeronautical engineer, following in the footsteps of several predecessors who were engineers. But previous generations enjoyed mixed fortune in this field.


Herbert Leslie Botham was born in County Durham in 1923, the son of Herbert Valentine Cyril Botham and his wife of four years, Emily Halliwell. They married on Christmas Eve, 1919, at Scarborough Parish Church and Herbert Valentine worked as a pattern-maker in an engineering company. He gew up in Hornsea, Yorkshire, with his younger siblings Helga and Arthur. Their father, Herbert Botham senior, was a millwright. The Botham family has strong Yorkshire ties - Herbert's father, George Chappell Botham, was born in Tibthorpe, though he was forced to move to find work. He eventually settled in Southcoates, Hull, where he became a managing clerk in an engineering firm.

George was widowed at 34 when his wife, Rebecca Ann, succumbed to TB after suffering for seven months. She left behind five children, ranging from the eldest, Clara, aged 11, to Walter, who was just a year old when his mother died. George Botham had to bring up his children on his own while also holding down a full-time job. To help him do this, he employed a housekeeper, Annie Hensman, who also home-tutored the children.

It is likely that George would have been used to hard knocks when he was growing up, as his father, John Botham, ran a pub in Tibthorpe called the White Horse. Inns in the mid-19th century were often rough places and George would have been expected to pull his weight around the pub. Rather unusually for the time, he was an only child, possibly because his parents married quite late.

Engineers, boilermakers and other manufacturing occupations can also be found in all branches of Ian's family tree. The background of his paternal grandmother, Emily Halliwell, contains generation after generation of boilermaker all the way back to Ian's three-times great-grandfather, John Halliwell, who was employed in the trade in Kingston upon Hull in 1841.

Yet there are signs of higher-status contributors to Ian's gene pool, too; George Chappell Botham had married into the Hutty family, and his father-in-law, John Hutty worked as a draper and silk mercer in Beverley, with sufficient funds to employ a servant to look after his eight children.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/mother ... otham.html
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Re: Tibthorpe Inn

Postby Ian Soanes » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:00 pm

George Chappell Botham was born in Tibthorpe on 02 Feb 1845 and baptised in Kirkburn on 24 Feb 1845.

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Re: Tibthorpe Inn

Postby Peter6 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:12 pm

Finding No YE/B/BOT
Author Holt, Keith
Title Sir Ian Botham and the White Horse
Date 2008
Description Investigates Ian Botham's family history connections with the East Riding especially John Botham who in 1851 was an innkeeper at Tibthorpe and died in 1899 and was buried in Kirkburn
Type Local Studies/Article
PubDate 2008
SubjectAuthor Botham, Sir Ian, 1955-
Botham family
Pagination 2 leaves
AccessStatus Open
PlaceCode NA1455
NA1456
NA1020
Subject GENEALOGY
CENSUSES

Source: East Riding Archives (The Treasure House)
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Re: Tibthorpe Inn

Postby Ian Soanes » Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:04 pm

The "young man" John Botham who jumped from a train (see Peter's first post) is not the Innkeeper John Botham, who would have been about 53 in 1865.
The John who lost his hat out of the train window is from another Tibthorpe Botham family. He was born in Tibthorpe and baptised in Kirkburn on 19 Jan 1843, son of William Botham and Elizabeth (nee Suggett). William Botham is a first cousin of the Inkeeper, John Botham.

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Re: Tibthorpe Inn

Postby Peter6 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:38 am

With reference to Ian's post about William Botham, the following might be of interest:


Level Item
Finding No QSF/524/B/16
Extent 1 item
Title Indictment of William Thompson of Tibthorpe, labourer
Date 1 Jul 1839
Description :- steal one drab greatcoat value 2 shillings from William Botham at Tibthorpe
Transportation 7 years
Witness: Thomas Windass
Access Status Open

Source: East Riding Archives (The Treasure House)
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Re: Tibthorpe Inn

Postby Ian Soanes » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:31 pm

Great find Peter.
I wonder how much the current crime rate could be reduced if they brought back sentencing like that!
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Re: Tibthorpe Inn

Postby David.B » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:35 pm

Can I thank every body for their input , its all been very helpful and will keep me going for a while .
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